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      "content": "You want me to find the ones now and take them down tho? \nLooks like 11?",
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      "content": "@Tim 'mithro' Ansell @Andrew Wingate I\u2019m not so concerned about a photo of the die, appreciate you thinking about it though. The RTL however\u2026 \ud83d\ude42",
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      "content": "Accepted\nI would change some details later on after I test the dies.\nThank you very much",
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